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The 2 Big Qs by AnubisGraph The 2 Big Qs by AnubisGraph
1st : i wana say i'm sorry to all who have been offended by the Previous ver. of this Deviation
after a lot of talking i found out that this is not the best way to deal with the problem

2 questions kept bugging me

the 1st is : why did they do such a thing ( not all ofcourse ) ? and why do they insist of keep doing it ? and thinking that they r doing the right thing
مالكم لا ترجون لله وقارا * وقد خلقكم اطوارا * ألم تروا كيف خلق الله سبع سماوات طباقا * وجعل القمر فيهن نوراً وجعل الشمس سراجا *
والله انبتكم من الأرض نباتا * ثم يعيدكم فيها ويخرجكم إخراجا * والله جعل لكم الأرض بساطا * لتسلكو منها سبلا فجاجا

صدق الله العظيم
سورة توح

the 2nd : What shall we do in such cases ?

the 1st Q is for the danish ppl
the 2nd Q if for muslims

my answer to the second Q ( which is some of my friends answer as well ) is :
violance is not the solution in this case and it's not in most cases
then what would be ? i say lets show them what Islam realy is
lets show them how our great and beloved prophet was
so they would respect Islam and the prophet Muhammad
respect based on love not fear

you may be angry ... yes it's natural ... i am
but lets behave out selves and act the same way the prophet acted 1427 years ago

i hope that we all get the message




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schnabela Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2006
no prolem, im glad it turned out allright after all :)

keep up the deviant spirit.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
:D i will :rose:
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schnabela Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2006
im sorry, i dont think i quite read the whole text through before submitting it...

"is a minority that shares the opinion that the drawings was right to publish, including myself"

that line should have ended with, "not including myself", meaning that im not a part of the minority that defends the drawings!, In fact i have always been very much against them.

When that is said, i agree with you on many points. We puplished it and should, and have taken, full responsibillity for our actions. We should also do very much to make sure that anyone else does not make the same mistake.
It is still, however, my opinion that many of the issues in this case, lies in lack of comminication between the danish government and the ambassadors, that requested Anders Fogh's opinion on the immigration debat in denmark.

The apology, was too late i also agree with you on that, but then again if an apology cannot be accepted, how should we ever do anything about it. Accepting the apology will, as i see it, the first step in solving the problem.
You have discussed this earlier in the debat how the prophet stands for respecting ennemies, and always be forgiving (please correct me if im wrong).
Therefore i think it is very essentiel to be able to talk with oneanother like we normaly talk with other people (like we are doing now)

And again the term freedom of speech, is a very danish term and should be used lightly when it concerns other cultures and nations.
Freedom of speech has had a very high prority thoughout danish political history, and general danish history for that matter. That is the fact that makes me underline, that in my opinion this problem has started with one big understanding and a very big mistake by "Jyllands Posten"

And again, im simply trying to explain some things in denmark, not to defend anything. I am as neutral as it gets in this case, i take neither one side or the other.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
you are a very reasonable person ...... i'm realy glad that we talked :rose:

keep it touch plz
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schnabela Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2006
do you guys ever watch anything else than arabic television? If you do, you would also be aware that "Jyllands Posten" apologized for the offending of the drawings. That also means that they does not continue what they were doing, but the discussion has been taken to another level, the political level. That was what the danes didn't want in the first place. First of all, because the government has nothing to do whit it, and second because, we in in denmark belive that you should be able to take the consequence of your own actions, that means that you should not be angry at the danish people og the government for that matter, but at the newspaper, who thought it was right to publish the drawings.

The thing that bothers me the most is the reason of this conflict, and this particularly debat:

misunderstanding between two very different cultures. The big difference lies in the understanding of "freedom of speech".
If you ask me, the drawings was to much, and not very civilized especially because they where not apointed to other danes, but to very many people arround the world.
If you lived in denmark you would se that we offend our own people (the politicians, our own religion, what so ever) all the time, but we do it with a sense of irony, which makes it just a matter of entertainment.
What the newspaper did wrong, was not considering the consequences of offending a people whitout the same relaxed opinion on "freedom of speech".

A thing whorty to remember is that the drawings was posted in september 2005, but the islamic nations has not seriuosly reacted on the drawings before danish muslims traveled the middle eastern contries, while telling storries about the situation in denmark. The storries however was not always the exact truth. I don't know exactly how to say this, but: a piece of bred with an extra amount of butter on it!


I hope you understand my point of view, and it maybe makes you a little less angry with every dane in the world, and make you realise, that this could have happended in every other western country. And if you should not be aware of it, the drawings have been published in several other countries.

As a last comment, i would like to make it clear that it really is a minority that shares the opinion that the drawings was right to publish, including myself. And understand that my contribution to the debat, has no intention to attack anyone, im simply trying to explain a danish point of view.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
i thanks you for your comment dear .
i don't think that we should be angry at the danish ppl ( at least not all ) coz we can not make them all responsible for what the Jyllands Posten did
but you are missing the point in here
the problem now is ....... how free can someone speek?

it's not right to make fun of other ppl religon ( and Especialy religon ) and put it under the turm : freedom of speech
ppl should me more responsible

about other countries that published the drowings ...... yes others did it too ...... but who started it ?
apologizing came too late and something is needed to be done to make sure that this would never happened again
by posting it the 1st time and reposting it over and over again ..... they encouraged the others to do the same
i have one thing to say ...... my freedom stops when the freedom of the others starts
and sorry to say that .... but you ( and the minority ) are wrong about what you think
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el3sl Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2006
well i agreed before with u and so do i now

:P
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
:rose:
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Stelthman Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006  Hobbyist Interface Designer
well.......... I don't know what to say about it. I read a lot of comments about this subject here. Some have a point on what they say, but how can we show them the tru meaning of islam & what's islam is all about & who is our prophet & how a great person he was. we cannot show much in art about islam , but we can educate them & show them that they are wrong about us. not by insulting, not by violence.

Good luck man, good work..
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neverness Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006
Salaam alaikum brother,

Inshallah I will try to reply this since I'm a Muslim living in the west, whose responsibilty is to give dawah. Inshallah we will (have been doing it for a while) have an open house in the masjid where I live. We'll invite our neighbours and inshallah some newspaper editors to this meeting and introduce them Islam. This has been the major activity we've been doing in the USA. Maashallah our sisters in Islam are better in this because they dress according to the Sunnah and they are attraction to non-muslims. I'm hearing stories where a non-muslim approaches to a sister and asking questions about Islam. They especially ask to our sisters because they wear the hijab.
This is what we are doing in the USA. But there is also something we all can do here in DA, doesn't matter where we live. I try to put as much Islamic references and articles on my journal as possible, including links to Islamic websites. Let's do this Inshallah. Every Muslim member of this site put a brief information about Islam and our beloved Prophet(sav) in their journals, including links to Islamic websites. Let's try to drive attention by our works on Islam. It could be a photograph of a mosque, a digital painting, a graphic design, a caligraphic work, anything representing Islam in a good manner. These are my humble sugestions.

May Allah help us succeed in our struggle...
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Sadiya Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2006
:)
our local imax is showing "Muhammed: Legacy of a Prophet" by upf [link] and we are giving personal invitations to politicians and local leaders/press to come see it. We're also asking theatres to play it inshaAllah.
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neverness Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2006
Thank you very much for the link sister. I bookmarked it. Seems like good stuff..
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Stelthman Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Wa alaycom al-salam wa rahmato allah wa barakatoh brother,
That's a great thing you're doing & it well surely be a great survice to Islam, Mashallah Mashallah, Allah be with u always with u. Let's all do this brothers & sisters to the sake of Islam & our prophet.
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neverness Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006
Jazak Allah Hayr brother...
The best aid from brother to brother is prayer Inshallah.

Waalaikum Salaam wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
i think it is ..... but still ...... some how u didn't answer the 2nd Question :)
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neverness Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2006
This looks and tastes better, in my opinion, and the questions that you raised are very well.

I'm not a scholar, just a 33 year old Muslim. And I don't have any political education on issues such these. When I look at these events, I compare my life experience and what scholars, leaders think about these issues. I was born a Muslim, though I didn't have a proper Islamic eduction in my childhood. In my teenage years, I was against Islam and I repent for those years when "I" personally insulted the religion and it's followers. So I can look and ask to myself why I did it and sure enough, I do have answers from my own experience and these answers apply to only my experience. But we may find some generic ones among them I guess.

The question: Why did he do such a thing ( lets put my name here ) ? and why did he insist of keep doing it ? and thinking that I was doing the right thing.
My answer: 1- Ignorance. I didn't know what Islam was about, eventhough I was born to it. Even in the Muslim world today, when a parent thinks of his/her child having a proper Islamic education, people ask; Why? What is it good for? You don't want your child to be succesful in life? Don't you want him/her to be a doctor, architect, artist, and so on? Not even the "Muslims" today fully capable of understanding what Islam is, why it is so important for a child to have a proper Islamic education (which btw doesn't contradict with any of the professions I mentioned), how can we expect a non-muslim, who raised in a culture totally ignorant about Islam to be respectful to it. They say, well isn't Islam a religion like Christianity, which we are free to make statues, drawings and paintings of Jesus and Mary(pbut) and saints and angels, etc... We live in a "democtratic" culture where freedom of speech is essential and we never had problem with making cartoons of Jesus(pbuh), why this is a problem? Well, Islam is not too much alike with Christianity in many senses. But they mostly don't know it.
2- Arrogance... When I was against Islam, I was ignorant to it's message and this gave birth to a bigger problem; arrogance. I was constantly complaining why do these Muslims have to bow 5 times a day, everyday, why should I submit to anything that I don't see, I don't hear or I don't feel. Who are those "un-educated" Muslims to tell me what's right, what's wrong. Who are they to tell me how to live my life. I don't like wearing dresses like them, I don't like growing beard, I like having sex with anyone I want to, I like drinking beer, listening to loud music, I don't like being entitled to anything Islam requires, I am better than them. May God forgive me, I may even said I'm better than God... Oh brother, can you see more clearly the verses where God talks about satan's arrogance?... Alhamdulillah, I do. Alhamdulillah I didn't do what satan did, challanging God. Alhamdulillah I had my lesson and repent...
But, for the people who can't come to realization of the truth there is even a bigger danger;
3- Justification... Once you are ignorant and turn your ignorance to arrogance, you may be pleased with it and keep it going on, even if you know you are wrong. People basically can't quit bad habbits. Since they can't quit, they build up a self defense mechanism: Justification of the wrong doing. If it's wrong then I have to make everything else worse to justify my bad habbit. Can't do it alone though, have to have company, more people like me. Islam can be the truth, Muslims can be right, but we don't care, we want to keep our habbits, simply because we enjoy them. But as long as the truth is there we can't enjoy them freely so we will get those truths and slam them to the floor so they will appear to me and to my friends BAD.
Once you are on level 3, which in this case the Danish and later other editors who published the cartoons, the whole thing doesn't bother them at all. There is nothing you can tell me to convince me that those editors were ignorant about Islam and it's sensibilities. You don't become the editor of a newspaper just because you have a beautiful face. You have to have a certain education, a broad knowledge about world cultures and so on. They knew the outcome of it and they wanted the outcome. In the English language I believe that's called PROVOCATION, not freedom of speech. In the court of law provocation is a crime. Moreso, the one(s) that are provocated gets a lesser charge because it falls into self defense. Insult is a very effective tool of provocation in this case, I'd like to add. More about provocation in legal literature: [link]

I already gave my answer to the second question in my previous reply, and if you can read carefully this one, I believe you'll find more answers.

Waalaikumsalaam
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
waw .... it realy great
i think what u said is exactly what is going on

thank you so much for this great reply ....... i sujest taht all should read it ...... coz it realy explain alot
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neverness Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006
jazakullah hayr. Inshallah.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
;)
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osaj Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2006
freedom of speech includes the freedom to insult
in this way people learn tolerance of other people's views
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
insult is not Ethical --- IN --- every religon and culture
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
insult is not Ethical and every religon and culture ........ your freedom stops when the freedom of others begin
if some one can only show his point of view through insulting others .... then he is not worthy to heard
or even to be talking at all

insulting is not freedom ..... it's impolite and rude
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neverness Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2006
I'm with sister ~Sadiya in this issue. I wouldn't humilate myself going down to their level. Though that's not just a personal thought.. briefly;
1- They did not humilate the Prophet(sav), they humilated themselves. Our beloved prophet have been humilated numerous times in his life, but there is no record that he turned violent against those. In contrary he was who he was; a mercy to humankind, so he behaved that way.
2- This was hardly an issue of "freedom of speech" and the cartoons are hardly laughable (in respond to some who claims cartoons are meant to be laughed at, forgetting that there are also cartoons meant to be political), it was to propagate their agenda against Islam. If a muslim has never been unaware of the "orthodox non-muslim" agenda against Islam, then I say they are right to claim that we are bunch of towel-head ignorants.

So shall we do Nothing? Sure we should do a lot of things. First of all we have to be Muslims in the true sense. Not a Muslim the way the west wants us to be (muslim-light), nor a Muslim the way a self-proclaimed gods of war wants us to be (muslim-dark). A Muslim the way that The God (Allah) wants us to be, the way the best of the Muslims was, the Prophet(sav)... Once we are there, once we grasp the true sense of brotherhood and being an Ummah, then we sure can accomplish a lot...

Wa Alaikum Salaam
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
check it out now .... i think that it's better now ....... what do u think ?
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
thank you for your comment my friend :rose:
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selene-vampire Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2006
There is a qualitative difference between what people SHOULD do, and what they should BE ABLE to do.

I don't see how anyone should be able to point fingers at anyone. For all of the cartoons that were offensive and published in Denmark; couldn't we all find some equivalent in different newspapers?

But, hey, "As you sow, you shall reap"
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
check it out now .... i think that it's better now ....... what do u think ?
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selene-vampire Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006
Now, I believe it is a very provoking and well-done piece. The two questions definitely deserve some contemplation. I like it much better than the first one; it opens things up more. I also like what you said on how it should be out of love and faith and not fear that people respect other's religion.

:)

Now this time I can truly say: well done!
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
thanks ......... but it's still not that saticfying
coz those 2 questions r still bothering me
do you have any answer for the 1st one ?
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selene-vampire Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2006
I think they did it the first time to make a point, and to continue to publish them because they are afraid people are going to take away they're freedoms, and because they feel that if they don't publish them again when faced with opposition it makes them cowards.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
i call this stupid ......... O_o
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selene-vampire Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2006
I call the whole thing stupid. This should be the time when we stand together instead we're letting it tear us all apart.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
i totaly agree :)
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JacenAratan Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2006
Nice picture but use a dictionary next time, matey.


Eh, wait a minute, I'm Danish... doesn't that mean I'm supposed to be offended and demand an apology of your government? Oh well, I suppose I'll settle for a boycot and a BBQ.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
check it out now .... i think that it's better now ....... what do u think ?
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
oh sorry i've just noticed the last line in ur comment ...... so u r danish ?
u know what ? ........ u should demand an apology ....... but from me not the goverment
i got ur point
and for that i am so sorry ...... and i'll change this work into something better
but i wana ask u something
do think that what was done was right ( i mean publishing such cartoons ) ? ....... just answer this question plz
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
my English is not that much i know ..... but i don't think that i made any mistakes in the design .... did i ?
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Phoedrah Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2006   Interface Designer
Remember to keep in mind that 'Jyllands Posten' is a very, very conservative and right-orientated news paper. JP actually tried to encourage other Danish newspapers to also post cartoons, but none did; this is just one example of many, that it is only a minority that shares JP's oppinion.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
some how i agree with you
but that bothers me is their official oppinion
they think they did the right thing
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Phoedrah Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2006   Interface Designer
Official oppionien equals freedom of speech, not neccesarily anything involving the drawings.
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
i think that someone's freedom ( in any thing ) stops when the freedom of others starts
a wise goverment should support that .... i think
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Captain-Fun Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2006
look, forget all of this, its all worthless. the only point anyone need to see is that what everyone is so angry about is CARTOONS. their jokes. humorous... thats all. if you cant laugh at a cartoon then you are hopeless
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Captain-Fun Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2006
i dont know what im talking about?

hate women: i certainly dont know about all middle eastern countries, but i know that in many women are treated like shit. forced to cover themselves up completely in black.... in the desert. i dont know about anyone else but when i wear a black t-shirt on a sunny day i sweat my balls off. these are male dominated societies that dont believe in womens rights.

false prophet: religion is a big joke. an individual made up religion and your so called prophet. so it's all a man made fairy tale. there is no god, no prophet, only people.

nonsense: yes, nonsense. i dont know what exactly confused you about that statement.

sense of humor: arabs are certainly a group of people who have taken their beliefs without any sense of humor what so ever. they are just cartoons. cartoons are made to make people laugh. do you know what you could do if dont like these cartoons? dont read them. its that simple

i realize that it may be hard to argue with me about these things when i make such good points, so if you cant just say you cant, dont make stuff up about me not knowing what im talking about, i can assure you i understand far better than you
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
youv'e got to be kidding ...... what good points ........ now am sure that u have no idea of what you are talking about

and that would be my last reply to you

Allah Yehdik my brother ....... peace
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hedcase Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2006
God is a man-made creation... All Gods are false. Religion is responsible for murder...
How many will die for a fairy tale?

Love the destruction and murder "in the name of God". There is no
religion today that condones this behavior and yet it continues.

Look back at most wars in recorded history and you'll find religion
at the root cause more often than not. Delve into any religion and
you will find the greatest wrongs committed daily by those in and
around the top of the organization.

There will be no peace in this world until people think for themselves.

my 2 cents

here the rant endeth...
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
o_O ..........
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el3sl Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2006
OMG

freedom of speach
:rofl: at them

well done
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
check it out now .... i think that it's better now ....... what do u think ?
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AnubisGraph Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
Thanks dear :rose:
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DidiSmooth Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2006
this is veryy good :clap:
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